Deon Unthank - 20 March 2008 08:23 PM

What can I say, Tony, you just don’t get it.

Deon, there’s a difference in me not agreeing with you and me “not getting it”.

Feet Washing is NOT about service, it’s about humility. Pride would certainly bring embarrassment by washing a brothers feet. I certainly do consider Feet Washing as a Sacrament of the Church. Does everybody, No, but aren’t you the one always harping on us about thinking for ourselves. I come to that conclusion after my studying of it in the Bible. So, to answer your question , yes we do have Feet Washing in our church. You should try it sometime, you might accidentally get blessed.

Uh, I have done it.  You’re not telling me anything I don’t already know.

I simply disagree with you that it’s a “sacrament” of the church.  I believe that Jesus was using feet-washing (a practical act of service in His time) as an example of being humble and of service to others.  I don’t believe He was telling modern Christians to wash each other’s feet.

So, yes, Deon, I “get it”.  I just don’t agree with you.  And sharing these opinions is what the forum is about, right?

Tony

Clear Creek Singer - 23 March 2008 01:02 AM

Tony you aren’t washing their feet to clean them. Get that?

I think you’re taking my quote out of context.  Feet-washing in Jesus day WAS unequivocally about cleaning.  People wore sandals, walked everywhere they went, had no running water and didn’t bathe daily. 

Feet-washing today is a ceremony that’s BASED on something that DID have a practical value.

Now, if you need to wash someone else’s feet in order to feel like you’re being humble as Jesus was teaching....then, by all means, then you should wash other people’s feet. 

You must also concede that there are a great many people on this planet who don’t need to wash someone else’s feet to feel that they obtain the same objective.

Feet-washing is a means...not an end.

How can you be humbled by mowing someones grass? Yes these things are good to do for others. But, are you sure you would be doing them for the right reason? Would you be helping these people out of love ? Or mearly trying to pay for your ticket to Heaven?

Huh?  Are you under the impression that we pay for a “ticket to heaven”?  Oh my! 

Could it be so that you would appear generous? To feel good about what you have done? So your neighbors will think more of you? So you can have more PRIDE?

Amazing.  What kind of self-esteem issues do you have that you actually have to over-analyze the act of a good deed like mowing someone’s yard?  Do you actually operate your entire life under that kind of self-condemning microscope and manage to somehow find something BAD about doing something nice for someone else?

I honestly have no idea how to respond to that.

Tony

Hey Tony, I really Love you man! I mean if nothing else at least you are consistant. I am merely pointing out that some “good deeds” aren’t always done in the right spirit. Maybe your foot washing experience was tainted by the same? Any way, Love Ya man! I know we are never going to see eye to eye on this as well as many other subjects, but it is always fun to talk with you, because I never know what kind of goofy logic you are going to come up with.

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Huh?  Are you under the impression that we pay for a “ticket to heaven”?  Oh my! 
Tony

I won’t even bother to answer this . I will happily assume that this is your feeble attempt at humor, and not the personal attack that it appears to be.

Clear Creek Singer - 23 March 2008 10:28 AM

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Huh?  Are you under the impression that we pay for a “ticket to heaven”?  Oh my! 
Tony

I won’t even bother to answer this . I will happily assume that this is your feeble attempt at humor, and not the personal attack that it appears to be.

ClearCreek, you are the one who used the phrase “paying for your ticket to heaven”, not me.  I was simply asking what you meant by it. 

Tony

Clear Creek Singer - 23 March 2008 10:16 AM

Hey Tony, I really Love you man! I mean if nothing else at least you are consistant. I am merely pointing out that some “good deeds” aren’t always done in the right spirit.

I love you too (although your post seems a little passive-aggressive.  [:)]

As far as the possibility that some good deeds are not being done in the “right spirit”, I think they would still be more practical and valuable than ceremony.  After all, Jonah was most definitely not “in the right spirit” by a long stretch.....but his efforts still got the job done. 

So....if I imagined that God were going to choose between one and the other, I think He’d rather see one person actually doing something for someone else rather than people engaging in a ceremony for their own emotional payoff (humility).

but it is always fun to talk with you, because I never know what kind of goofy logic you are going to come up with.

People unaccustomed to logic often feel that way. 

Tongue in cheek,
Tony

I was raised Baptist, as long as I can remember they would do “feet washing” for myself, I’m not big on the practice. I honestly can’t get into it… I don’t know why, it might be a mental block or something but when they say we are having a “foot washing” I skip that service.... now sacrament… totally different experience for me! Anyone else?