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Posted: 24 September 2008 09:04 PM   [ Ignore ]  
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DO you know where he is or what he is doing? He was always a real inspiration to me.

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Posted: 25 September 2008 06:02 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]  
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I caught a glimpse of him and Labreska at NQC at the Songwriters showcase.  We were unable to stay and see or hear what they were doing.

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Posted: 25 September 2008 10:16 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]  
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Unfortunately, Joel Hemphill is currently profiting off a book he wrote which denies the Holy Trinity and the deity of Jesus Christ.  (Yes, you read that right.) 

For an explanation and opportunity to form your own opinion, visit http://reformata.org/2008/08/joel-hemphill-does-deny-the-deity-of-christ-2/ or http://jesus-messiah.com/html/hemphill-doctrine.html.

Furthermore, here is a word-for-word excerpt from the book itself:

“Hebrews teaches, and I believe that Jesus did not come in the God family (there is only one God), or the angel family, but in the human family (Heb. 2:7, 9). He is perfect, sinless man, but man nevertheless! “Wherefore in all things it behooved him (was necessary) to be made like unto his brethren… to make reconciliation for the sins of the people” (Heb. 2:17). A God-man could not redeem us. It took a sinless man, the Lamb of God, with righteous blood untainted by the sin of Adam, to redeem mankind. He is the second Adam, not the first God-man. Jesus is: “a priest for ever” (Heb. 5:6). “An high priest for ever” (Heb. 6:20). “A priest for ever “ (Heb. 7:21). “But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat on the right hand of God” (Heb. 10:12). Please see also Psalm 110:1 and Acts 2:29-35.

If the disciples who had just seen Jesus ascend to heaven in Acts chapter one, did not pray to him in Acts chapter four, then he is not God! They prayed to “God, the Lord God,” and one time they referred to “thy holy child, Jesus,” and once they said, “by the name of thy holy child Jesus.” (Acts 4:23-31). That is what Jesus had taught them in John 15:16, “Whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.” Also in John 16:23, “Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.” There is not one verse in the N.T. where we are commanded or encouraged to pray to Jesus.

Jesus was not just a body full of God, he was a man full of God. He had a human mind, soul, spirit and will. Being full of God does not make a person God.”

Scary, yes.  And very disappointing.  This man neads our prayers.  I honestly believe his intentions are good, but his theology has taken a wrong turn down a dead-end road.

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Posted: 25 September 2008 01:36 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]  
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How very disturbing!

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Posted: 25 September 2008 02:15 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]  
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This blows me away.
I’m shocked.

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Posted: 25 September 2008 02:17 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]  
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Well. that is what I had heard… and I was praying it was just a rumor…..I am so sad about it all.

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Posted: 25 September 2008 04:44 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]  
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Just a couple of thoughts here ...

1Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Q Who was the only manifestation of God in the flesh?

Colossians 1:19 For it pleased [the Father] that in him (JESUS) should all fulness dwell;

Q In whom should all the fulness dwell? JESUS
  What was the fulness Paul was speaking of?
  The fulness of the Godhead!

Colossians gives the answer

Colossians 2:9 For in him (JESUS) dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

I guess we are learning that we better keep our eyes on Jesus and our trust in the book.  Men are fallible and they are trying to interpret scripture ... and my, my, my do they ever fall short.  We need the Holy Spirit to be our guide.  We also need to try the Spirit to see whether it is of God or not of God.  Joel ... I as many other blood bought believers disagree with you on this, and I am doing that because I am going to align myself to scripture and not the whims of man.  Sorry Joel ... you have the distinct privilege to be wrong.

I am going to end with this one ...

1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

“That is the scripture ... and I am sticking to it.”

Sincerely,
Steven Cheney

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Posted: 26 September 2008 06:28 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]  
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There is a thread on THE TRINITY in the religion/theology section that has some good conversation. The forum has been closed but the threads can still be viewed.

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Posted: 26 September 2008 07:29 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]  
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...not to mention John chapter 1!  I had heard this a couple years ago about Hemphill and I had hoped it was simply someone’s misunderstanding of what Joel had written.  After Capstone’s post, it’s obvious the stories were true.

Pretty dangerous ground to be so bold about walking upon, huh?

MWCBaritone - 25 September 2008 04:44 PM

Just a couple of thoughts here ...

1Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory…

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Posted: 26 September 2008 07:31 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]  
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How can he discount all of these scriptures?  The Bible warns of “leaders” leading others astray.  Just really disturbing…

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Posted: 26 September 2008 11:22 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]  
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How can he discount all of these scriptures?  The Bible warns of “leaders” leading others astray.  Just really disturbing…

This makes a few verses come to mind :

Galations 1:9 “As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”

Proverbs 14:5 “A faithful witness will not lie:but a false witness will utter lies.”

I Timothy 4:1 “Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils.”

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Posted: 26 September 2008 12:51 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]  
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How sad.

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Posted: 19 October 2008 02:03 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]  
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Sad indeed.  From the beginning, it is clear who Jesus was.  In the garden, God said, “Let us make man in OUR IMAGE.”

And, Isaiah said, Isaiah 9:6 (King James Version): “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”

Trust the scriptures and heed to gospel once delivered once and for all.  Hear Jesus and his apostles.

Pray for Joel and his family.

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Posted: 21 October 2008 07:46 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]  
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I interviewed Joel at the Southern Gospel Music taping for GMT. You can go to Southern Gospel Tube and type in Joel Hemphill in the search bar.

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