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02 Jul 2008
Southern Gospel Music vs. Bizarro Southern Gospel Music
![]() Do you like Superman? Anyone who is a fan of Superman knows about Bizarro World. It’s a cube-shaped planet called “Htrae” – “earth” spelled backwards. Bizarro World has many of the same characters that Earth has – Bizarro Superman, Bizarro Lois Lane, and Bizarro Perry White. The main difference is that in Bizarro World, everything is the exact opposite of things on Earth. It’s good to be bad in Bizarro World. For example, Superman is good, Bizarro Superman is not. Bizarro “society” is ruled by the Bizarro Code which states, “Us do opposite of all Earthly things! Us hate beauty! Us love ugliness! It is a big crime to make anything perfect on Bizarro World!” Reader Comments
"Folks, let’s stop doing “NOTHING.” Let’s start taking names and kicking tails."
When he wrote these words, I'll bet Nick didn't expect the first name brought up to be his own! Some may view it as "un-Christlike," but let's be fair. Nick did call for the sort of response he got from Lacy Pittman, and not just in a general way.
Commented by David Bruce Murray On 07/03/2008
I disagree with you Mr. Murray.
My comment was addressing the fact that Mr. Pittman OBVIOUSLY has a LONG HELD GRUDGE against Nick because he didn't like the way his project turned out. His comments were not made in a spirit of HELPING to raise the standard of SGM (which is the point of the article) but were MADE to vent his annoyance at Nick. And he is using a public forum to say so. Many artists - amateur and professional - have had the experience of being disappointed in a recording project. It doesn't mean the producer is someone who is the way Mr. Pittman describes Nick. It's a fact of the music business that some people like some producers better than other producers. AND we are only hearing HIS SIDE of the story. So we don't know WHAT he didn't like OR if he discussed his dissatisfaction with Nick OR if Nick tried to do anything to fix the problem. Or if it was simply a new artist who expected something his talent couldn't match. I've never heard the Glorymen so I don't know. There's a difference between naming names and calling names. The first one is to protect the innocent, and the second is to attack them. There was a mean-spirited vendetta in Mr. Pittman's post - which is my point. And I, personally, feel that it is unloving and unkind and unChristlike. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.
Commented by On 07/03/2008
I assume that this group worked directly with Nick the whole time, and not that he was only a part of the process with several others. I went to this group's website to find some clips or something so as to make a fair assessment. There were not any so I emailed for someplace to go to hear them. There wasn't a direct email link, just a form to fill out that in my opinion was not done very well. I left a comment asking for a link to their music and also that they needed a new webmaster because the colors were not web-friendly. Anyway, my point is that if someone is going to attack someone's integrity to this extent publicly be sure they can back it up. Before I comment further I hope to hear something of this group. I have my theories, but need some questions answered first.
Ransomed
Commented by ransomed On 07/04/2008
I can imagine what Mr Pittans group must sound like. If you dont have the voices that are professional enough, Gaithers bunch couldnt make you sound good.
Commented by On 07/04/2008
My vote is with songwriter on this.
Commented by On 07/04/2008
I have no idea what Pittman's group sounds like. I was merely observing the irony of the whole situation.
20 or 30 people will almost always respond when a strongly worded column like this is written saying, "Right on?" I've been one who wholeheartedly agrees with much of what Nick Bruno writes, so I understand that. What I don't understand is why anyone who does the very thing this article asked for "must have a vendetta," etc. If you applaud one person for saying names should be named, why would you attack another person for actually doing it? It seems the SG fan is usually delighted with general negativity about the industry. The response is uniformly polar opposite when specific negativity is displayed, though. You say you agree 100%, but your action show that you really DON'T want anyone to take that step and be named. Somewhere in between, there must be some solution. I'm not agreeing with Pittman, because I don't know what actually happened in that situation. I'm simply noting that Nick Bruno did ask his readers to "admit it" and root out the people who are profiting off of the second type of amateurs he mentioned in his article.
Commented by David Bruce Murray On 07/04/2008
Well, I continue to disagree with you and I believe you are missing my point.
I think there is a distinction to be made between someone who is profiting off amateurs and someone who is DECEIVING them. Making a profit by producing a custom album is not a crime. Nick readily admits that he spends a great deal of time doing custom albums for amateur groups. He says: Some of these groups are pretty good, and they desire to be the best they can be, but they have no illusions of grandeur. I work with many groups like this and I can tell you, I love it. It’s singing for the best of reasons…because you love it. Nick's POINT is that many companies are DECEIVING these new artists and PROMISING THINGS THEY WILL NOT and CANNOT DELIVER. I believe the story is clear if you read Mr. Pittman's own remarks. He says, "when you get into the studio, things are different and many flaws are revealed when you are recording. However, if the producer does what he is supposed to do, these flaws can be corrected." Translation: We didn't sound as good as we thought we would when we actually recorded our first album and Nick didn't fix our vocals as well as we would have liked him to. NICK'S focus seems to be on industry people who are DECEIVING amateurs. Is Mr. Pittman saying he was deceived by Nick because Mr.Pittman didn't realize how HE actually sounded?
Commented by On 07/04/2008
After my initial post, I had no intention of responding any further. Some of the posts do not even deserve a response. However, I am responding to Songwriter.
It is very apparent you are either a close personal friend of associate of Nick’s and let me say I applaud and respect you for your loyalty. However, you do not know ME, how I sing or anything else about me. Since that is the case let me give a short history, not that I really need to. I started singing Southern Gospel Music in a quartet when I was fifteen years old. I am now 52 and have been singing all my life. I sang baritone for 27 years and for the last several years I’ve been singing bass. I was a music major in college when I first started and devoted all my time to music. I know there is no such thing as four part harmony unless you are singing a seventh or some other chord that will allow for the fourth part. I also know most SGM is written using chords I, IV and V during most of the song, which means there are only three notes with the bass doubling on either the tenor or the lead. I know there is no difference in “family” harmony and any other harmony, harmony is harmony. Families just are fortunate enough to have the same diction. I could go on, but there is no real need to do so. All I have ever wanted to do is sing, and sing about Jesus. That is all. When we decided to try and take the “next step” it sure wasn’t to ever appear on main stage at the quartet convention, and it wasn’t for personal gain, it was to open doors where we could travel and go to places we have never been before simply to mention the name of Jesus. That is the only reason. When I referred to “flaws” in my original post, I meant when you get in the studio, with headphones on, folks may hit the last note of a phrase, especially the vowel sounds a little flat, or as many would say they “shave the note” a little. That is what we experienced. As for me personally, I try to push too hard, trying to sing bass like I did when I sang baritone, hitting notes sharp. The thing is we hear it and correct it when we are allowed. Singing live, we have no problem, and the harmony is there. I’ve heard groups where you have two people singing the same notes. That will not happen in any group I may be associated with. When you stated I was being un-Christlike and mean spirited, let me say if stating the factual truth is un-Christlike and mean spirited, then I guess I am guilty. But I did base my comments on fact, even though I did not lay out the details, not just on opinion or what I think. Now I will try to say what I meant and you may have to read somewhat between the lines. Professional groups, when they record spend 3 to 10 days in the studio working on vocals. That is why their recording projects sound so good. This goes back to the person producing the project, which is what they are being paid to do. I guarantee you if any “professional” group spent 6 hours in a recording studio laying down vocals, the project would not sound that good. That is basically how long we spent in the studio the first time we recorded with what we thought was the label for us to record with. We spent 4 days on our last project and you can tell a major difference. Now referring back to the original article. For the past several years these articles seem to attack the SGM industry and indicate what all is bad with it. Well I consider anyone who sings, whether you call them weekend warriors, weekend groups or regional groups, amateurs. The groups who sing for a living are the “Professionals.” Trust me, I’ve heard many weekend groups who sound as good as anyone singing. The other major aspect of this is just about every “amateur” group I know sings local to where they live. They have a following of people who love to hear them sing, it doesn’t matter what they sound like. The major part of this is they lead people to Christ, and I don’t care how you or anyone else tries to spin it, that is the major reason. If you are in it for the money, notoriety or personal recognition, then I believe that is wrong. God gave us the talents to do what we do; we sure didn’t acquire them on our own. Besides, I don’t how it is where you live but around my home the local gospel stations only play “The Professionals”. If a local group has a recording that is released as a single, the local radio stations still consider the group a “local” group and will not play their music. So how do we come up with this idea? You know, I would ask this question, on what empirical evidence is this article based. What studies have been conducted to substantiate the fact that Amateur group’s problem with Southern Gospel Music, if in fact there is something wrong with it. Now I will give my opinion as everyone else has stated “opinions”. The problem with SGM, if there is there are people in the industry who are concerned only with themselves and personal gain. This leads to division and folks working against each other rather than working together. If we would come together, work together and all have a common goal, that of spreading the word, and take out the personal part of it, I wonder how far the industry, if that is how you wish to refer to it, would progress. The other thing that comes to mind, again just opinion, I believe we are living in the last days, according to the Bible, and Jesus indicated in the last days we Christians would be hated for his name sake. That is where I think we are. I remember a time 30 years ago when you could have an all night gospel sing with just local groups and people getting together to form a quartet and pack the venue. They would stay all night long. Now, the crowds are smaller and seemingly getting worse. I think it is a sign of the times. I personally don’t listen to rock or country music. It is not because “Amatuers” are singing the songs, it is simply because I don’t care for that type of music. Ever thought that is why people don’t listen to Southern Gospel. By the way, if it makes you feel good to attack me, then go ahead and do it all you want. Lacy
Commented by On 07/04/2008
I do know Nick, yes. That's why I read his column every month -but that's not why I made my comments. Someone with his long history in SGM and stellar reputation does not need to be defended.
In addition, I too love the Lord as you do Mr. Pittman. My sincerity and yours is not in question. I just don't like it when I see someone using a public forum to say something that should be said privately between two Christians. This is what the BIBLE teaches. Although it's obvious that Nick COULD name names - he does not. NOT HERE. And I don't believe he is advocating that either. I believe that ANYONE reading this column clearly understands he meant in the boardrooms, in the committees, at the conventions, he feels people who are SCAMMING artist by LYING TO THEM should be exposed. Evidently, you are reading a different column than I am every month. His goal seems to be to encourage HONESTY and INTEGRITY in SGM. Being unhappy with one recording project he produced does not make him in to someone who cheats people. I'm sure there are other groups out there who would say exactly the opposite about a Nick Bruno produced project. In my opinion, you are and were annoyed at Nick and used this forum to take a shot at him. I am not attacking you, I am stating my opinion - as you stated yours.
Commented by On 07/04/2008
Nick, I always enjoy your articles and appreciate the way you lay it all on the table. Just to show a parallel, I am a cabinetmaker by trade and have been involved with this industry since the late 1960's and have been plagued by the unprofessionals who are infiltrating the industry. I am retired now due to a disabling injury, but before I left the industry, I was having to bid against these same people who were cutting prices and getting some jobs. I even had some of the people who gave the jobs to some of these people call me later to "fix' some problems left by the other cabinet makers. I even had one job where I was beaten on the bid, where I provided the materials for the other person to do the job, who was doing it for "$200 less than whatever" I bid. He mishandled the oak and it was never the same, because he let the moisture content rise to a bad level before using it. So, there are those in every industry. They will always be with us. They will probably never realize why they never made it. They will just wake up one day and see that there is no place to sing anymore. So I say just let them sing. I will listen to whom I want, will support whom I want, where they be local, pros, regional or whatever. We had a group at our church, who were real favorites of our church this past weekend. One of the singers introduced a song he had written called"Down on her knees". and said it was more a contemporary song than S.G. I told him after church not to put labels on them, to just keep writing songs like that, and it didn't to be placed in a genre, just sing it.Billijoe
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