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30
Jun
2003
Editorial - Where Has The Quality Gone?


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Deon Unthank

imageThose of you who don?t take advantage of the Message Boards are missing out on some very interesting discussion. One of the discussions has revolved around the statement that some people have made that the quality of Southern Gospel has been going down hill for several years. This really strikes a nerve with me. There seems to be some confusion as to the difference between style and quality. Let me talk about the style issue for a little if I may. Back in the 70s and 80s there was great discussion about the ?country? influence that was coming into Southern Gospel Music. It seems that the ?purists? of Southern Gospel Music didn?t want the ?country? sound that was clearly making an impact on the genre. Such groups as The Rambos, The Happy Goodmans, and The Hinsons were definitely having an influence. Whether it was a good influence or a bad influence is still being debated today. The fact was, there was no other place for groups like these to go. In reality both styles of music were sharing the stage every night, and the fans were loving it. Let me just say that since this discussion has been going on for 30 years, and the country influence is still here, I think that it is pretty safe to say that it truly is a part of Southern Gospel Music, and we need to live with that fact. The inertia of the country influence is too strong to stop it. It really isn?t bad for the genre. The fact is that many of these country sounding groups will fill a building, when the traditional quartet sounds, as much as I love them, do not always draw. Now there are some traditional quartet fans that think the Gold City is the cats meow and the more progressive sounds of the Gaither Vocal Band are just terrible. Then there are those who love the progressive sounds of GVB and The Lesters and think that all quartets sound alike. Add to that the bluegrass fans that think that the Issacs can outsing all of the above and you have to come to one brilliant deduction. Quality is in the ear of the listener. (Not to say that any of these groups mentioned are not "quality groups") Now back to the quality issue. If I prefer the stylings of the more progressive groups, does that make the quality of the quartets inferior? If I love the bluegrass singing, does that make the progressive sounds inferior in quality? No, not at all. Now there are some part time groups out there who are singing flat or sharp or off key or off timing, and that is bad. Those groups however are not at the top of any of the genres. I can remember singing in some pretty ?bad? groups when I was a teenager. When I finally formed my own group, the Sunday Edition, we strove for excellence, but we shared the stage with some pretty bad part time groups. We have the same thing today. However, there were top notch groups back then that everyone went to see, and today we have the same thing. There is no lack of quality in the top notch groups of today. Well this should give you a little idea of the types of things that we discuss on the message boards, so why don?t you come and join us.

Reader Comments

Mr Prater,

I find your generalized comments to be ludicrous. As if no other genre has had lyrics that are less than perfect. While there is nothing wrong with desiring skill and perfection with this music, your posts show nothing but disdain. Why are you here posting? I took a moment to check out your website, and I would dare to pose that you are most likely pushing your own agenda and nothing more.

Give me more useless lyrics like those of "The Cross", "God Handled It All" "Justified", "It is Well", "Three Wooden Crosses", "The Maker of the Cross', "Under God", "I Found Grace", "I'm Saved" and well I'll stop now.


Commented by On 07/31/2003
Deon Unthank's avatar And I will stand behind my statement thayou yours was outlandish and offensive. There aresome greatly skilled artists in SG and we are not looking through rose-colored glasses. I do not know what you are listening to, but it sure isn't the same SG that I am listening to. The greater portion of todays SG music has a very strong Gospel message that is NOT contrary to scripture.
If you have listened to alot of bluegrass in your time, then you should have some appreciation for the instrumental abilities that it takes to play those many stringed instruments that they play.

Deon Unthank
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Commented by On 07/31/2003
Well this is my first time to write in to this board, but I had to comment on the subject. I have been listening to and singing SG music all my life. My father raised me on the Statesmen Quartet of the 50's and 60's and it is still my favorite style of SG. But I believe there are great groups today with great quality. NOT ALL OF THEM ARE FULL-TIME GROUPS THAT WIN ALL THE FAN AWARDS. Many ARE though, Gold City, Greater Vision are as good vocally as anyone who ever sung. Also some, just a few, of the full time groups are not nearlly as musically refined as these I have mentioned. But this has always been true, not just in this decade. My father has an album recorded from NQC in the early 60's. The Statesmen, Oak Ridge Quartet and the Blackwoods were awsome. Some of the others left a lot to be desired. The difference in quality within the industry has always been there. One last thing. I am not basing my opinion on the style I like but on how well the group displays the basic fundalmentals of music: harmony, rhythm/timing, dynamics, and voice quality.


Commented by On 07/31/2003
I'm going blind trying to read all these comments. Personally, I love it all and don't know of a single 'professional' group that sounds bad. All the groups have something wonderful to contribute to SGM. Everyone just take what you like best and that way all can be satisfied.


Commented by judy mcgill On 11/25/2003
Judy,

You made more sense than all the rest of us that have commented. You are a true fan of SGM.


Commented by On 11/26/2003
Thanks, Melvin. I just says 'em as I think 'em. No other music can move me as much or can uplift me as much or can show me the error of my ways as much. I feel this music is God's own special way to chastise me when needed and to take me to the mountaintop when it's needed. Thanks to all on this chatboard(?) for giving all of us a chance to give our opinion...good, bad. or somewhere in between.


Commented by judy mcgill On 11/26/2003
I have loved Southern Gospel Music for over 60 years and attended hundreds of concerts.
My wife and I have attended over 150 services with The Harvesters and Ivan Parker over past five years.

They have worship services not concerts.

We follow many groups and all are worshippers.

Gaither Homecomings have been the best thing to happen in the history of gospel music.

I see little difference in today and 50 years ago.

Great Harmony. Great Messages. Great invitations for lost souls.

A new local group Southland Harmony with veterans Gene Payne Sam Kiser and Buck Riggs is sensational.

Because He Lives This Old Man Can Face Tomorrow With a Song In His Heart.

God's Blessings.


Commented by On 02/09/2004
:hehe:
Well- So mnay comments on Bluegrass and SGM. Well- i front an all female bluegrass group. And we require alot of microphones and have all those pesky instruments, which of course we just learned to play overnight, and we don't have a bass singer, and some of our songs have titles like "Born Again" , "Bright Horizions", or "I'll Be Ready". and to make it worse we ENJOY playing venues wher other types of gospel music (southern, black, & country) are played. It's a ? of "quality" so much as it's a matter of taste. Does god expect us all to like the same foods, the same clothes....etc. As long as it glorifies Him, enjoy!


Commented by sue stude On 04/18/2004
all,
I just started the Bar-None Cowboy Church at Hanks Texas Grill in McKinney. Texas and I need to locate a country gospel singer named Larry Massey who lives in this area. I alos need some good hearted folks to come by from time to time on Sundays at 9:30 am and "kick off" the meetings with a couple or three or so gospel songs and if you want to become a part of this outreach ministry. Please reply by email if you can help us with any of this. thanks and God Bless y'all, bro bob


Commented by bob pierce On 02/10/2005
I started to drop some incendiary comments of my own like I have done on the boards but after reading all of these comments I think I'll take a different approach.

First, one thing that strikes me here and on the boards is that it seems like there are a bunch of people that on purposely either misunderstand what the basic original premise or simply aren't paying attention. The original premise was that Deon felt that SG is a big community of different types and styles of groups. Also he felt that quality of SG is as good as it ever has been. Period.

The problem is all of us (me included) have our own axe to grind and tend to skew these conversations into our own pet complaints (again, me included.) The truth of the matter is that while we are probably all right in our own way, this tends to make us go in circles. In a general sense Deon (who is one of my favourite posters here-no brownnosing intended) is right. Southern Gospel has plenty of variety and can put out quality product. I learned a long time ago as a manager it was much more effective to try to make changes by defining what we are and leading people in that direction as opposed to defining what we weren't and trying to keep people away from it. Morale with this approach was much better and people usually took less of a "us" and "them" approach. Every one benefitted and everyone thrived.

That doesn't mean you don't still have issues to address, but it is a lot easier to define what you want to change in this environment. There is a lot of criticism of radio and charting. If that is not working, then let's come up with a new system that would help these stations play a quality product and show accurate charting. We do have a self defeating cycle when it comes to creativity.

Any time anyone tries something different in this industry they pretty much get hung out to dry. Maybe it's time for a true SG label to be formed that will actually give some financial support in the studio and marketing support once the product comes out. I think a lot these complaints are confusing quality issues with creativity issues. SG needs a little creative shot in the arm. If we can't come up with a label to do this then maybe we need to look for other avenues.

I think the whole SG industry would benefit from embracing any non-rock styles to keep it healthy and diverse (I don't mean diverse in the PC sense, I mean in the non inbred sense).

The blue grass comment was said in an offensive way, but it does point out something that is dangerous in music. I like bluegrass, but stylistically or maybe I should say mechanically some of the vocals can be one step short of musical hog calling. In their attempts to imitate some of the icons of this segment some people have managed to come out sounding like a sack full of cats. When you try to be JUST like someone else this can happen a lot. A lot of these people would be much better off playing this style but being themselves. Guys, we have the same problem in SG. We have a lot of imitators out their who sound hollow because they are not being themselves. I believe this is actually our loss.

We need to encourage people to do their best. We need to encourage them to find their own identity in SG. And we need to support these efforts with our encouragment, our money, and most importantly with our prayers.

I don't agree with everything the Unthanks do or how they handle things here, but this is a good example of what I am talking about. They saw an opportunity in the need of SG for variety, alternative viewpoints to the establishment and a professionally run organization. What we need to do is see this need as an opportunity....


Commented by On 02/10/2005
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